Showing papers on "Turbulence published in 1995"

On the identification of a vortex

Abstract: Considerable confusion surrounds the longstanding question of what constitutes a vortex, especially in a turbulent flow. This question, frequently misunderstood as academic, has recently acquired particular significance since coherent structures (CS) in turbulent flows are now commonly regarded as vortices. An objective definition of a vortex should permit the use of vortex dynamics concepts to educe CS, to explain formation and evolutionary dynamics of CS, to explore the role of CS in turbulence phenomena, and to develop viable turbulence models and control strategies for turbulence phenomena. We propose a definition of a vortex in an incompressible flow in terms of the eigenvalues of the symmetric tensor ${\bm {\cal S}}^2 + {\bm \Omega}^2$ are respectively the symmetric and antisymmetric parts of the velocity gradient tensor ${\bm \Delta}{\bm u}$. This definition captures the pressure minimum in a plane perpendicular to the vortex axis at high Reynolds numbers, and also accurately defines vortex cores at low Reynolds numbers, unlike a pressure-minimum criterion. We compare our definition with prior schemes/definitions using exact and numerical solutions of the Euler and Navier–Stokes equations for a variety of laminar and turbulent flows. In contrast to definitions based on the positive second invariant of ${\bm \Delta}{\bm u}$ or the complex eigenvalues of ${\bm \Delta}{\bm u}$, our definition accurately identifies the vortex core in flows where the vortex geometry is intuitively clear.

Turbulence Modeling of Internal Combustion Engines Using RNG κ-ε Models

Abstract: The RNG κ-e turbulence model derived by Yakhot and Orszag (1986) based on the Renormalization Group theory has been modified and applied to variable-density engine flows in the present study. The original RNG-based turbulence transport approximations were developed formally for an incompressible flow. In order to account for flow compressibility the RNG e-equation is modified and closed through an isotropic rapid distortion analysis. Computations were made of engine compressing/expanding flows and the results were compared with available experimental observations in a production diesel engine geometry. The modified RNG κ-e model was also applied to diesel spray combustion computations. It is shown that the use of the RNG model is warranted for spray combustion modeling since the ratio of the turbulent to mean-strain time scales is appreciable due to spray-generated mean flow gradients, and the model introduces a term to account for these effects. Large scale flow structures are predicted which ar...

Regeneration mechanisms of near-wall turbulence structures

Abstract: Direct numerical simulations of a highly constrained plane Couette flow are employed to study the dynamics of the structures found in the near-wall region of turbulent flows. Starting from a fully developed turbulent flow, the dimensions of the computational domain are reduced to near the minimum values which will sustain turbulence. A remarkably well-defined, quasi-cyclic and spatially organized process of regeneration of near-wall structures is observed. This process is composed of three distinct phases: formation of streaks by streamwise vortices, breakdown of the streaks, and regeneration of the streamwise vortices. Each phase sets the stage for the next, and these processes are analysed in detail. The most novel results concern vortex regeneration, which is found to be a direct result of the breakdown of streaks that were originally formed by the vortices, and particular emphasis is placed on this process. The spanwise width of the computational domain corresponds closely to the typically observed spanwise spacing of near-wall streaks. When the width of the domain is further reduced, turbulence is no longer sustained. It is suggested that the observed spacing arises because the time scales of streak formation, breakdown and vortex regeneration become mismatched when the streak spacing is too small, and the regeneration cycle at that scale is broken.

Dynamo-generated Turbulence and Large-Scale Magnetic Fields in a Keplerian Shear Flow

Abstract: The nonlinear evolution of magnetized Keplerian shear ows is simulated in a local, three-dimensional model, including the eeects of compressibility and stratiication. Supersonic ows are initially generated by the Balbus-Hawley magnetic shear instability. The resulting ows regenerate a turbulent magnetic eld which, in turn, reinforces the turbulence. Thus, the system acts like a dynamo that generates its own turbulence. However, unlike usual dynamos, the magnetic energy exceeds the kinetic energy of the turbulence by a factor of 3{10. By assuming the eld to be vertical on the outer (upper and lower) surfaces we do not constrain the horizontal magnetic ux. Indeed, a large scale toroidal magnetic eld is generated, mostly in the form of toroidal ux tubes with lengths comparable to the toroidal extent of the box. This large scale eld is mainly of 1 even (i.e. quadrupolar) parity with respect to the midplane and changes direction on a timescale of about 30 orbits, in a possibly cyclic manner. The eeective Shakura-Sunyaev alpha viscosity parameter is between 0.001 and 0.005, and the contribution from the Maxwell stress is about 3-7 times larger than the contribution from the Reynolds stress.

On the universality of the Kolmogorov constant

Abstract: All known data are collected on the Kolmogorov constant in one‐dimensional spectral formula for the inertial range. For large enough microscale Reynolds numbers, the data (despite much scatter) support the notion of a ‘‘universal’’ constant that is independent of the flow as well as the Reynolds number, with a numerical value of about 0.5. In particular, it is difficult to discern support for a recent claim that the constant is Reynolds number dependent even at high Reynolds numbers.

A laser-Doppler velocimetry study of ensemble-averaged characteristics of the turbulent near wake of a square cylinder

Abstract: Ensemble-averaged statistics at constant phase of the turbulent near-wake flow (Reynolds number ≈ 21400 around a square cylinder have been obtained from two-component laser-Doppler measurements. Phase was defined with reference to a signal taken from a pressure sensor located at the midpoint of a cylinder sidewall. The distinction is drawn between the near wake where the shed vortices are ‘mature’ and distinct and a base region where the vortices grow to maturity and are then shed. Differences in length and velocity scales and vortex celerities between the flow around a square cylinder and the more frequently studied flow around a circular cylinder are discussed. Scaling arguments based on the circulation discharged into the near wake are proposed to explain the differences. The relationship between flow topology and turbulence is also considered with vorticity saddles and streamline saddles being distinguished. While general agreement with previous studies of flow around a circular cylinder is found with regard to essential flow features in the near wake, some previously overlooked details are highlighted, e.g. the possibility of high Reynolds shear stresses in regions of peak vorticity, or asymmetries near the streamline saddle. The base region is examined in more detail than in previous studies, and vorticity saddles, zero-vorticity points, and streamline saddles are observed to differ in importance at different stages of the shedding process.

Separated flow computations with the k-e-v2 model

Abstract: Tlirbulent separated flows over a backstep, in a plane diffuser and around a triangular cylinder, are computed with the k-e-v2 model. These provide examples of massive separation, of smooth separation, and of unsteady vortex shedding. It is shown that to accurately predict the time-averaged properties of bluff body flow, it is necessary to resolve the coherent vortex shedding. The near-wall treatment of the v2-/22 system of equations is able to cope with both the massive and smooth separations. Good agreement between experiment and prediction is found in all

Magnetohydrodynamic turbulence in the solar wind

Abstract: The fluctuations in magnetic field and plasma velocity in solar wind, which possess many features of fully developed magnetohydrodynamic (MHD) turbulence, are discussed. Direct spacecraft observations from 0.3 to over 20 AU, remote sensing radio scintillation observations, numerical simulations, and various models provide complementary methods that show that the fluctuations in the wind parameters undergo significant dynamical evolution independent of whatever turbulence might exist in the solar photosphere and corona. The Cluster mission, with high time resolution particle and field measurements and its variable separation strategies, should be able to provide data for answering many questions on MHD turbulence.

Flow shear induced fluctuation suppression in finite aspect ratio shaped tokamak plasma

Abstract: The suppression of turbulence by the E×B flow shear and parallel flow shear is studied in an arbitrary shape finite aspect ratio tokamak plasma using the two point nonlinear analysis previously utilized in a high aspect ratio tokamak plasma [Phys. Plasmas 1, 2940 (1994)]. The result shows that only the E×B flow shear is responsible for the suppression of flute‐like fluctuations. This suppression occurs regardless of the plasma rotation direction and is, therefore, relevant for the very high (VH) mode plasma core as well as for the high (H) mode plasma edge. Experimentally observed in–out asymmetry of fluctuation reduction behavior can be addressed in the context of flux expansion and magnetic field pitch variation on a given flux surface. The adverse effect of neutral particles on confinement improvement is also discussed in the context of the charge exchange induced parallel momentum damping.

Role of Near-Bed Turbulence Structure in Bed Load Transport and Bed Form Mechanics

Abstract: The interactions between turbulence events and sediment motions during bed load transport were studied by means of laser-Doppler velocimetry and high-speed cinematography. Sweeps (u′ > 0, w′ 0 w′ > 0) which contribute negatively to the bed shear stress and are relatively rare, individually move as much sediment as sweeps of comparable magnitude and duration, however, and much more than bursts (u′ 0) and inward interactions (u′ < 0, w′ < 0). When the magnitude of the outward interactions increases relative to the other events, therefore, the sediment flux increases even though the bed shear stress decreases. Thus, although bed shear stress can be used to estimate bed load transport by flows with well-developed boundary layers, in which the flow is steady and uniform and the turbulence statistics all scale with the shear velocity, it is not accurate for flows with developing boundary layers, such as those over sufficiently nonuniform topography or roughness, in which significant spatial variations in the magnitudes and durations of the sweeps, bursts, outward interactions, and inward interactions occur. These variations produce significant peaks in bed load transport downstream of separation points, thus supporting the hypothesis that flow separation plays a significant role in the development of bed forms.

Numerical/experimental study of a wingtip vortex in the near field

Abstract: The near-field behavior of a wingtip vortex flow has been studied computationally and experimentally in an interactive fashion. The computational approach involved using the method of artificial compressibility to solve the three-dimensional, incompressible, Navier-Stokes equations with experimentally determined boundary conditions and a modified Baldwin-Barth turbulence model. Inaccuracies caused by the finite difference technique, grid resolution, and turbulence modeling have been explored. The complete geometry case was computed using 1.5 million grid points and compared with mean velocity measurements on the suction side of the wing and in the near wake. Good agreement between the computed and measured flowfields has been obtained. The velocity distribution in the vortex core compares to within 3% of the experiment.

Surface quasi-geostrophic dynamics

Abstract: The dynamics of quasi-geostrophic flow with uniform potential vorticity reduces to the evolution of buoyancy, or potential temperature, on horizontal boundaries. There is a formal resemblance to two-dimensional flow, with surface temperature playing the role of vorticity, but a different relationship between the flow and the advected scalar creates several distinctive features. A series of examples are described which highlight some of these features: the evolution of an elliptical vortex; the start-up vortex shed by flow over a mountain; the instability of temperature filaments; the ‘edge wave’ critical layer; and mixing in an overturning edge wave. Characteristics of the direct cascade of the tracer variance to small scales in homogeneous turbulence, as well as the inverse energy cascade, are also described. In addition to its geophysical relevance, the ubiquitous generation of secondary instabilities and the possibility of finite-time collapse make this system a potentially important, numerically tractable, testbed for turbulence theories.

Flow hydrodynamics in tidal marsh canopies

Abstract: The transport of particulate and dissolved matter on the surface of coastal marshes is controlled by the hydrodynamic characteristics of over-marsh flows. High-frequency (5 Hz) in situ measurements of flow speed were collected in Spartina alternijlora, Juncus roemerianus, and Di:-tichlis spicata canopies using hot-film anemometry sensor arrays. These data indicate that mean flow speed, turbulence intensity, and the shape of the vertical speed profile are influenced by variations in plant morphology and stem density. Mean flow speed and turbulence intensity are inversely related to stem density and to distance from the creek edge. Flow energies decrease by about one order of magnitude when flows encounter the vegetated marsh surface and continue to decrease as vegetation density increa,ses. Turbulent flow energy also decays exponentially with increasing distance from the creek edge. Reductions in flow speed coupled with energy decay provide a hydrologic mechanism for sediment deposition patterns commonly observed in marsh systems. Suspended matter transport is also affected by plant-flow interactions. Vertical flow structure is strongly influenced by canopy morphology (plant type and plant shape). Plant-flow interactions result in vertical speed profiles whose shapes deviate from the logarithmic profile typical in free-stream conditions and in the development of transitional flow regimes (i.e. neither laminar nor fully turbulent).

Compressible turbulent channel flows: DNS results and modelling

Abstract: The present paper addresses some topical issues in modelling compressible turbulent shear flows. The work is based on direct numerical simulation (DNS) of two supersonic fully developed channel flows between very cold isothermal walls. Detailed decomposition and analysis of terms appearing in the mean momentum and energy equations are presented. The simulation results are used to provide insights into differences between conventional Reynolds and Favre averaging of the mean-flow and turbulent quantities. Study of the turbulence energy budget for the two cases shows that compressibility effects due to turbulent density and pressure fluctuations are insignificant. In particular, the dilatational dissipation and the mean product of the pressure and dilatation fluctuations are very small, contrary to the results of simulations for sheared homogeneous compressible turbulence and to recent proposals for models for general compressible turbulent flows. This provides a possible explanation of why the Van Driest density-weighted transformation (which ignores any true turbulent compressibility effects) is so successful in correlating compressible boundary-layer data. Finally, it is found that the DNS data do not support the strong Reynolds analogy. A more general representation of the analogy is analysed and shown to match the DNS data very well.

Large-eddy simulation of rotating channel flows using a localized dynamic model

Abstract: Most applications of the dynamic subgrid‐scale stress model use volume‐ or planar‐averaging to avoid ill‐conditioning of the model coefficient, which may result in numerical instabilities. Furthermore, a spatially‐varying coefficient is mathematically inconsistent with the original derivation of the model. A localization procedure is proposed here that removes the mathematical inconsistency to any desired order of accuracy in time. This model is applied to the simulation of rotating channel flow, and results in improved prediction of the turbulence statistics. The model coefficient vanishes in regions of quiescent flow, reproducing accurately the intermittent character of the flow on the stable side of the channel. Large‐scale longitudinal vortices can be identified, consistent with the observation from experiments and direct simulations. The effect of the unresolved scales on higher‐order statistics is also discussed.

A numerical study of turbulent supersonic isothermal-wall channel flow

Abstract: A study of compressible supersonic turbulent flow in a plane channel with isothermal walls has been performed using direct numerical simulation Mach numbers, based on the bulk velocity and sound speed at the walls, of 15 and 3 are considered; Reynolds numbers, defined in terms of the centreline velocity and channel half-width, are of the order of 3000 Because of the relatively low Reynolds number, all of the relevant scales of motion can be captured, and no subgrid-scale or turbulence model is needed The isothermal boundary conditions give rise to a flow that is strongly influenced by wall-normal gradients of mean density and temperature These gradients are found to cause an enhanced streamwise coherence of the near-wall streaks, but not to seriously invalidate Morkovin's hypothesis : the magnitude of fluctuations of total temperature and especially pressure are much less than their mean values, and consequently the dominant compressibility effect is that due to mean property variations The Van Driest transformation is found to be very successful at both Mach numbers, and when properly scaled, statistics are found to agree well with data from incompressible channel flow results

Mean flow and turbulence structure over fixed, two-dimensional dunes: implications for sediment transport and bedform stability

Abstract: Detailed measurements of flow velocity and its turbulent fluctuation were obtained over fixed, two-dimensional dunes in a laboratory channel. Laser Doppler anemometry was used to measure the downstream and vertical components of velocity at more than 1800 points over one dune wavelength. The density of the sampling grid allowed construction of a unique set of contour maps for all mean flow and turbulence parameters, which are assessed using higher moment measures and quadrant analysis. These flow field maps illustrate that: (1) the time-averaged downstream and vertical velocities agree well with previous studies of quasi-equilibrium flow over fixed and mobile bedforms and show a remarkable symmetry from crest to crest; (2) the maximum root-mean-square (RMS) of the downstream velocity values occur at and just downstream of flow reattachment and within the flow separation cell; (3) the maximum vertical RMS values occur within and above the zone of flow separation along the shear layer and this zone advects and diffuses downstream, extending almost to the next crest; (4) positive downstream skewness values occur within the separation cell, whereas positive vertical skewness values are restricted to the shear layer; (5) the highest Reynolds stresses are located within the zone of flow separation and along the shear layer; (6) high-magnitude, high-frequency quadrant-2 events (‘ejections’) are concentrated along the shear layer (Kelvin-Helmholtz instabilities) and dominate the contribution to the local Reynolds stress; and (7) high-magnitude, high-frequency quadrant-4 events occur bounding the separation zone, near reattachment and close to the dune crest, and are significant contributors to the local Reynolds stress at each location. These data demonstrate that the turbulence structure associated with dunes is controlled intrinsically by the formation, magnitude and downstream extent of the flow separation zone and resultant shear layer. Furthermore, the origin of dune-related macroturbulence lies in the dynamics of the shear layer rather than classical turbulent boundary layer bursting. The fluid dynamic distinction between dunes and ripples is reasoned to be linked to the velocity differential across the shear layer and hence the magnitude of the Kelvin-Helmholtz instabilities, which are both greater for dunes than ripples. These instabilities control the local flow and turbulence structure and dictate the modes of sediment entrainment and their transport rates.

Field‐aligned coordinates for nonlinear simulations of tokamak turbulence

Abstract: Turbulence in tokamaks is characterized by long parallel wavelengths and short perpendicular wavelengths. A coordinate system for nonlinear fluid, gyrokinetic ‘‘Vlasov,’’ or particle simulations is presented that exploits the elongated nature of the turbulence by resolving the minimum necessary simulation volume: a long thin twisting flux tube. It is very similar to the ballooning representation, although periodicity constraints can be incorporated in a manner that allows E×B nonlinearities to be evaluated efficiently with fast Fourier transforms (FFT’s). If the parallel correlation length is very long, however, enforcing periodicity can introduce artificial correlations, so periodicity should not necessarily be enforced in the poloidal angle at θ=±π. This method is applied to high resolution three‐dimensional simulations of toroidal ion temperature gradient (ITG) driven turbulence, which predict fluctuation spectra and ion heat transport similar to experimental measurements.

Observation of undertow and turbulence in a laboratory surf zone

Abstract: Undertow and turbulence in the surf zone have been studied in a wave flume for a spilling breaker and a plunging breaker. Fluid velocities across a 1 on 35 sloped false bottom were measured using a fiber-optic laser-Doppler anemometer, and wave decay and set-up were measured using a capacitance wave gage. The characteristics of mean flow and turbulence in spilling versus plunging breakers were studied. The mean flow is the organized wave-induced flow defined as the phase average of the instantaneous velocity, while the turbulence is taken as the deviations from the phase average. It was found that under the plunging breaker turbulence levels are much higher and vertical variations of undertow and turbulence intensity are much smaller in comparison with the spilling breaker. It was also found that turbulent kinetic energy is transported seaward under the spilling breaker and landward under the plunging breaker by the mean flow. The study indicates that there are fundamental differences in the dynamics of turbulence between spilling and plunging breakers, which can be related to the processes of wave breaking and turbulence production. It is suggested that the types of beach profile produced by storm and swell waves may be the results of different relationships between mean flow and turbulence in these waves.

Transition to turbulence in constant-mass-flux pipe flow

Abstract: We report the results of an experimental study of the transition to turbulence in a pipe under the condition of constant mass flux. The transition behaviour and structures observed in this experiment were qualitatively the same as those described in previous reported studies performed in pressure-driven systems. A variety of jet and suction devices were used to create repeatable disturbances which were then used to test the stability of developed Poiseuille flow. The Reynolds number ( Re ) and the parameters governing the disturbances were varied and the outcome, whether or not transition occurred some distance downstream of the injection point, was recorded. It was found that a critical amplitude of disturbance was required to cause transition at a given Re and that this amplitude varied in a systematic way with Re . This finite, critical level was found to be a robust feature, and was relatively insensitive to the form of disturbance. We interpret this as evidence for disconnected solutions which may provide a pointer for making progress in this fundamental, and as yet unresolved, problem in fluid mechanics.

Spectral wave-current bottom boundary layer flows

Abstract: Based on the linearized governing equations, a bottom roughness specified by the equivalent Nikuradse sand grain roughness, fcjv, and a timeinvariant eddy viscosity analogous to that of Grant and Madsen (1979 and 1986) the solution is obtained for combined wave-current turbulent bottom boundary layer flows with the wave motion specified by its near-bottom orbital velocity directional spectrum. The solution depends on an a priori unknown shear velocity, u*r, used to scale the eddy viscosity inside the wave boundary layer. Closure is achieved by requiring the spectral wavecurrent model to reduce to the Grant-Madsen model in the limit of simple periodic plane waves. To facilitate application of the spectral wave-current model it is used to define the characteristics (near-bottom orbital velocity amplitude, U(,r, radian frequency, uir, and direction of propagation, 4>wr) of a representative periodic wave which, in the context of combined wavecurrent bottom boundary layer flows, is equivalent to the wave specified by its directional spectrum. Pertinent formulas needed for application of the model are derived and their use is illustrated by outlining efficient computational procedures for the solution of wave-current interaction for typical specifications of the current

Absolute instability of the boundary layer on a rotating disk

Abstract: This paper is concerned with the theoretical behaviour of the boundary-layer flow over a disk rotating in otherwise still fluid. The flow is excited impulsively at a certain radius at time t = 0. This paper analyses the inviscid stability of the flow and the stability with viscous, Coriolis and streamline curvature effects included. In both cases, within a specific range of the parameter space, it is shown that the flow is absolutely unstable, i.e. disturbances grow in time at every fixed point in space. Outside this range, the flow is convectively unstable or stable. The absolute or convective nature of the instabilities is determined by examining the branch-point singularities of the dispersion relation. Absolute instability is found for Reynolds numbers above 510. Experimentally observed values for the onset of transition from laminar to turbulent flow have an average value of 513. It is suggested that absolute instability may cause the onset of transition to turbulent flow. The results from the inviscid analysis show that the absolute instability is not caused by Coriolis effects nor by streamline curvature effects. This indicates that this mechanism may be possible on swept wings, where Coriolis effects are not present but the boundary layers are otherwise similar.

On the dynamics of turbulent transport near marginal stability

Abstract: A general methodology for describing the dynamics of transport near marginal stability is formulated. Marginal stability is a special case of the more general phenomenon of self‐organized criticality. Simple, one field models of the dynamics of tokamak plasma self‐organized criticality have been constructed, and include relevant features such as sheared mean flow and transport bifurcations. In such models, slow mode (i.e., large‐scale, low‐frequency transport events) correlation times determine the behavior of transport dynamics near marginal stability. To illustrate this, impulse response scaling exponents (z) and turbulent diffusivities (D) have been calculated for the minimal (Burgers’) and sheared flow models. For the minimal model, z=1 (indicating ballistic propagation) and D∼(S20)1/3, where S20 is the noise strength. With an identically structured noise spectrum and flow with shearing rate exceeding the ambient decorrelation rate for the largest‐scale transport events, diffusion is recovered with z=...

Quantized energy cascade and log-Poisson statistics in fully developed turbulence.

Abstract: It is proposed that the statistics of the inertial range of fully developed turbulence can be described by a quantized random multiplicative process. We then show that (i) the cascade process must be a log-infinitely divisible stochastic process (i.e., stationary independent log-increments); (ii) the inertial-range statistics of turbulent fluctuations, such as the coarse-grained energy dissipation, are log-Poisson; and (iii) a recently proposed scaling model [Z.-S. She and E. Leveque 72, 336 (1994)] of fully developed turbulence can be derived. A general theory using the Levy-Khinchine representation for infinitely divisible cascade processes is presented, which allows for a classification of scaling behaviors of various strongly nonlinear dissipative systems.

Particle behavior in the turbulent boundary layer. I. Motion, deposition, and entrainment

Abstract: The motion of solid particles near the wall in a turbulent boundary layer was investigated experimentally in a water flume by flow visualization techniques and by LDA. The particles were of polystyrene (specific density ∼1.05) with diameters ranging from 100 to 900 μm. Results show that particle motion, as well as entrainment and deposition processes, are controlled by the action of coherent wall structures, which appear to be funnel vortices. The behavior of the particles is consistent with the motion and effects of such vortices. The vortices appear to cause the formation of particle streaks near the wall, to create suitable conditions for particle entrainment, and to assist in particle deposition by conveying them from the outer flow to the wall region.

Geostrophic Adjustment and Inverse Cascades in Rotating Stratified Turbulence

Abstract: Rotating stratified turbulence is examined both numerically and analytically, guided by energy and potential enstrophy conservation as well as resonant interaction theory, in order to investigate the cascade properties of rotational and wave modes at Froude numbers of order one or below, over a range of Rossby numbers. As Ro → 0, rotational modes are only weakly coupled to wave modes, and there are only weak rotational wave energy exchanges when initial conditions are random. A catalytic interaction involving two waves and a rotational mode, leaving the rotational mode unchanged, then provides the mechanism for geostrophic adjustment via a downscale cascade of wave energy. When simulations are initially balanced, gravity modes act to damp large-scale rotational modes through a transfer into intermediate-scale gravity modes and a subsequent downscale wave cascade involving the catalytic interaction. At larger Ro transfer from rotational to wave modes is important at any Froude number, and geostrop...